tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post5300645114954145025..comments2023-07-15T04:20:16.543-05:00Comments on Almost Diamonds: Today's QuestionStephanie Zvanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15182490110208080002noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-4921340637913647932009-07-21T12:21:15.482-05:002009-07-21T12:21:15.482-05:00One thing that this (puzzling) discussion highligh...One thing that this (puzzling) discussion highlights is the need to have many more non-scientist atheists. <br /><br />http://luckyatheist.blogspot.comMichael Catonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01017910055699348111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-38985525797883636952009-07-20T23:24:32.597-05:002009-07-20T23:24:32.597-05:00LostMarbles-- Nothing puts internet drama into per...LostMarbles-- Nothing puts internet drama into perspective like trying to explain it to an 'out group' person.<br /><br />Actually, internet anything. Try explaining 'Suddenly, bananas' to someone.ERVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02070086354372691880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-76914935906193475522009-07-20T21:24:24.240-05:002009-07-20T21:24:24.240-05:00I've been trying to explain this entire situat...I've been trying to explain this entire situation to a friend of my who only started reading scienceblogs in the last few months and this post has been really helpful jogging my memory beyond general impressions and a few vaguely remembered incidents. Thanks, Stephanie.<br /><br />CPP,<br /><br />Dude, I like you, but you're being a bit ridiculous and hypocritical. When have you kept yourself out of arguments that don't really involve you?<br /><br />Why is this shit making so many of the people I genuinely like act like asses to each other? I like internet drama, but this is making *sadface* all over the place.LostMarbleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07123440130769897997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-20818881827554092292009-07-20T19:11:05.408-05:002009-07-20T19:11:05.408-05:00@DC: Yeah really... poor Fluffy. One day the cat ...@DC: Yeah really... poor Fluffy. One day the cat just up and leaves in a huff, and Usenet suddenly belongs to Google. ...or something.Jason Thibeaulthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01595673310069068735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-51813717537072264762009-07-20T13:49:20.048-05:002009-07-20T13:49:20.048-05:00Any time, Juniper.
Cath, that one does keep comin...Any time, Juniper.<br /><br />Cath, that one does keep coming around, doesn't it?Stephanie Zvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15182490110208080002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-50197044276182742672009-07-20T13:40:38.269-05:002009-07-20T13:40:38.269-05:00"he's going to have to deal with having h...<i>"he's going to have to deal with having his own words quoted back at him"</i><br /><br />What, <a href="http://scientistmother.blogspot.com/2009/06/animals-are-not-your-children.html?showComment=1245761646401#c4107403790493786994" rel="nofollow">like this?</a>Cath@VWXYNot?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01164268321173313605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-69478455758345435432009-07-20T12:22:54.981-05:002009-07-20T12:22:54.981-05:00I had to post just to say I agree with LouFCD. I ...I had to post just to say I agree with LouFCD. I have sometimes been directed to those people me mentions and never have been able to find any substance.critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14331359234846241164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-4805914183006121962009-07-20T11:05:09.222-05:002009-07-20T11:05:09.222-05:00What the balls is wrong with CPP?
This adds a hug...What the balls is wrong with CPP?<br /><br />This adds a huge amount of context to the on-going shenanigans. It was certainly useful to me, having not been <br /><br />And "What does it hurt to ask" is stuck in one of my sulci, and is currently being chewed on. Thank you Stephanie.Nat Blairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12684196915592792806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-75102883785076916232009-07-20T10:03:03.195-05:002009-07-20T10:03:03.195-05:00Oh, add Physioprof to that list, with the caveat t...Oh, add Physioprof to that list, with the caveat that I rarely get duped into going there, given that his crap is usually so profoundly ignored for its irrelevancy.Lou FCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13975892485240863279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-27777111970876906462009-07-20T09:58:33.201-05:002009-07-20T09:58:33.201-05:00Gah, Mooney, Kirshenbaum, Nisbet, Isis, Zuska, Lus...Gah, Mooney, Kirshenbaum, Nisbet, Isis, Zuska, Luskin, O'Leary...<br /><br />They're all in the same category to me: dullwitted, uninteresting, lifeless hacks taking up interweb real estate.<br /><br />Every time I get suckered into reading something from any of them I swear I'll never do it again, but there always seems to be a 'next time' when I get duped because I need background on some otherwise interesting discussion somewhere.<br /><br />Never again (and this time I MEAN IT).<br /><br />(again)Lou FCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13975892485240863279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-66354303734499036812009-07-20T06:12:52.723-05:002009-07-20T06:12:52.723-05:00Masterful summation of a fugly situation. Well don...Masterful summation of a fugly situation. Well done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-65972341635055036272009-07-20T05:11:33.796-05:002009-07-20T05:11:33.796-05:00Greg, CPP doesn't "owe" me an apolog...<i>Greg, CPP doesn't "owe" me an apology. Like anybody else, he's welcome to spout any dumb-ass nonsense he wants to around here. However, once it's here, it's not going away, and he's going to have to deal with having his own words quoted back at him whenever he gets obnoxious about someone else's behavior. As many people as are reading this, and as many people as he abrades, it's inevitable.<br /><br />Peter, I can't say I haven't considered that, but I think Matthew and Mike might be closer to the truth. At least I haven't seen anything that would make me comfortable assuming something worse than that they thought they were prepared for the response to their book but weren't. It would be damned hard, as an author, for me to handle this kind of critical explosion around something I wrote.</i><br /><br />Thank you for this classy response. It and this post are tremendously admirable.Juniper Shoemakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12139181817352528656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-49959366777821124322009-07-19T20:21:02.766-05:002009-07-19T20:21:02.766-05:00Love the post, Stephanie. The history behind all o...Love the post, Stephanie. The history behind all of this is fascinating.<br /><br />Can't stand the ComradePhysioProf:<br /><em>Why the fuck are you even involving yourself in this? None of it has anything whatsoever to do with you.</em><br /><br />None of it has anything to do with me, or Stephanie, or Greg, or DuWayne, or Jason, or D.C., or Mike, or Sili, or Matthew, or José, or TheDailyJokelahoman, or Peter, or Becca, or Abbie, etc.? It has something to do with <em>all</em> of us. Why? Because Chris seems to have taken it upon himself to speak for a group of people who wish to tell another group of people to sit down and shut up because he thinks our language, tactics, anger, etc. are hurting his "cause". He doesn't <em>know</em> this, but he <em>thinks</em> this. I, for one, heartily resent being told to shut up, and I'm certainly not going to take it from the likes of Chris and company.Dan Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12859759162872190863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-3350056110071867342009-07-19T16:19:43.754-05:002009-07-19T16:19:43.754-05:00Jason, I respectfully decline the position (which ...<i>Jason, I respectfully decline the position (which I think looks much more dignified than running and hiding in a closet at the thought).</i><br /><br />Wise woman. Look what owning Usenet did to Fluffy.D. C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06515125525097163604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-62658420475003375612009-07-19T15:02:16.983-05:002009-07-19T15:02:16.983-05:00Jason, I respectfully decline the position (which ...Jason, I respectfully decline the position (which I think looks much more dignified than running and hiding in a closet at the thought).Stephanie Zvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15182490110208080002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-12907266168218902342009-07-19T12:57:09.112-05:002009-07-19T12:57:09.112-05:00Shit, I mean "Chris Mooney" not "P...Shit, I mean "Chris Mooney" not "Paul Mooney". Paul Mooney makes me lol in a good way.TheDailyJokelahomanhttp://thedailyjokelahoman.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-77320525793505183702009-07-19T10:19:07.359-05:002009-07-19T10:19:07.359-05:00Something which is worth noting as well is that ER...Something which is worth noting as well is that ERV's first comment about having tried to engage with Mooney for years, and being done with that (which Isis picked up on), was addressed to me in her comments section.<br /><br />ERV know I've been following her blog from the start, so why the hell would she feel that it was necessary to tell me where to find all the stuff which I've already read? <br /><br />Comments are not private conversations, but they are conversations nonetheless, and if people feel they lack information to participate in that conversation, they can ask for it (as you did).<br /><br />I really need to get around to updating my blogroll, so I can add Almost Diamonds. It's rapidly becoming a must-readKristjan Wagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09555892468280743919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-10202467278842588992009-07-19T09:57:52.076-05:002009-07-19T09:57:52.076-05:00If only Stephanie were the internet's arbiter....If only Stephanie were the internet's arbiter. Seriously. Even debates you're not in, you win. And I'm not just being sycophantic (though there is maybe a bit of that -- I want to learn from the master!).Jason Thibeaulthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01595673310069068735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-58808463213351789972009-07-19T05:59:01.801-05:002009-07-19T05:59:01.801-05:00Hang on a minute. Someone bothered to write a pos...Hang on a minute. Someone bothered to write a post, write an email, and think about the origins of someone's position or opinion in a blog debate? I don't think I can cope with a world where that actually happens! <br /><br />Fantastic post!kjhaxtonhttp://www.possibilitiesendless.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-18691685925406490412009-07-19T02:32:35.664-05:002009-07-19T02:32:35.664-05:00I find it slightly ironic that it took ScienceBlog...I find it slightly ironic that it took ScienceBlogs (and a few others, like this one) for me to develop a liking for gossip and this type of drama. So, thank you for opening up my cultural horizons, oh bloggers of science.<br /><br />Great posts by you and Janet, Stephanie, probably the ones that bring the most clarity to the 'debate'.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543249852113048426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-24997214123481309482009-07-19T01:01:02.470-05:002009-07-19T01:01:02.470-05:00OK, OK, CPP, you don't have to apologize. Li...OK, OK, CPP, you don't have to apologize. Like the lady says. You just need to live in shame for AS LONG AS THE INTERNET EXISTS!!!<br /><br />(Which, likely, you were already doing anyway)Greg Ladenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04857616630819182647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-1424551063483048902009-07-18T22:02:48.858-05:002009-07-18T22:02:48.858-05:00"And if Paul Mooney wants to bitch and moan a..."And if Paul Mooney wants to bitch and moan about how "angry" we are, well let him."<br /><br />You did mean "Chris Mooney" right? Or did that nice fellow from "ask a black man" jump into the fray.<br /><br /><br />I'd actually be interested in hearing his opinions, honestly -- he'd straighten it all out.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02907462646559254985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-43190427301929745462009-07-18T21:29:22.481-05:002009-07-18T21:29:22.481-05:00D. C., sorry it hasn't been a better day. Howe...D. C., sorry it hasn't been a better day. However (hah!), I'm not sure they are all rhetorical questions, and I'm not sure it's not part of the problem that we haven't been asking them.<br /><br />Greg, CPP doesn't "owe" me an apology. Like anybody else, he's welcome to spout any dumb-ass nonsense he wants to around here. However, once it's here, it's not going away, and he's going to have to deal with having his own words quoted back at him whenever he gets obnoxious about someone else's behavior. As many people as are reading this, and as many people as he abrades, it's inevitable.<br /><br />Peter, I can't say I haven't considered that, but I think Matthew and Mike might be closer to the truth. At least I haven't seen anything that would make me comfortable assuming something worse than that they thought they were prepared for the response to their book but weren't. It would be damned hard, as an author, for me to handle this kind of critical explosion around something I wrote.Stephanie Zvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15182490110208080002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-22410366037368854742009-07-18T21:13:15.393-05:002009-07-18T21:13:15.393-05:00Thank you for this post.:-)
I have been avoiding ...Thank you for this post.:-)<br /><br />I have been avoiding all of these articles because I had no idea what was going on.Stacyhttp://car54.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-26443648467413202622009-07-18T21:03:55.341-05:002009-07-18T21:03:55.341-05:00Hahahaha!!! Mr. Here's-a-List-of-What-to-Do-On...Hahahaha!!! Mr. Here's-a-List-of-What-to-Do-On-Other-People's-Blogs has just violated Rule #15. Not entertaining or funny (that I've ever seen) - so shut the fuck up, CPP.Briannoreply@blogger.com