tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post9222700882069882165..comments2023-07-15T04:20:16.543-05:00Comments on Almost Diamonds: Proposition 8Stephanie Zvanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15182490110208080002noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-7954980033697120442008-11-16T21:15:00.000-06:002008-11-16T21:15:00.000-06:00Oh, this whole thing is such a sordid little mess....Oh, this whole thing is such a sordid little mess. People are tying themselves into stupid, pretzley knots trying not to notice that there's nothing to be scared of or freaked out about.<BR/><BR/>Considering the laws that have already been struck down, I think it will be soon (or soonish). But there will be much pointless screaming from people who are utterly unaffected by the change, and it's insane that it hasn't happened already.Stephanie Zvanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15182490110208080002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-71048771956743517612008-11-14T22:12:00.000-06:002008-11-14T22:12:00.000-06:00On a more interesting note the prior bans were sho...On a more interesting note the prior bans were shot down due to the equal protections clause in the state constitution. So they added this as a constitutional amendment. Since no part of a constitution is more constitutional than the rest now both the gay marriage ban and equal protections clause are valid. So now same sex persons may not marry in the state of California and all people must be under the same rules. So the state of California may have just denied itself the ability to recognize ANY marriages. I can't wait till someone gets the opertunity to argue that angle!Frustrated Farmer Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08367331507586316368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-53748386804479313372008-11-14T21:22:00.000-06:002008-11-14T21:22:00.000-06:00I live in Canada too and it doesn't seem to have o...I live in Canada too and it doesn't seem to have occurred to the bigots that voted for prop 8 to look north and see that society has not collapsed, the sky not fallen, the sun still rises - in fact quite the opposite! <BR/><BR/>My own country (GB), however, still persists with the ridiculous division having only recently permitted civil unions but refusing still to call it marriage (something also fueled only by religious interference). Things are improving even there though. A while ago the government in Britain introduced legislation saying that all business that offer services to the public must do so without discrimination. This sent the Catholic church into a tizz because it would have to shut down its orphanages (although quite why anyone, given the record of that organisation would entrust a child's welfare to them is somewhat beyond me) because they were legally business and were refusing to adopt children into gay couples homes. There were a some Catholic government ministers who tried insert their silly beliefs into public policy and argued for an exemption for them. Eventually it was pointed out that you are either for discrimination or you're not so the bill passed without exemption. <BR/><BR/>While I fully intend to honest in my views of religion in this and much other corruption in society (precisely the opposite of what they claim - in the UK when an issue of morality comes up journalists regularly run to clergy for comment, what qualifies the clergy for this I know not) I am very optimistic this is a temporary set back. There is just no decent moral human position that can possibly object to gay marriage.Dr. Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04279062868061912332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38764987.post-69231321922171884732008-11-14T08:27:00.000-06:002008-11-14T08:27:00.000-06:00It's still so bizarre to me. Here in Canada, ...It's still so bizarre to me. Here in Canada, it's such a non-issue. Sure there are some groups who think gay marriage is wrong, but we have the Charter of Rights & Freedoms which protects minority rights from the majority. <BR/><BR/>I hope your friend Catherine is right. <BR/><BR/>I always wonder, when religious groups try to bring up the idea of "civil union", why they don't come up with a new technical term for their own in-group religious marriage instead? Then they can feel all sanctified and cut off while everyone else is just free to get <I>married</I>.Glendon Mellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03582347493421110738noreply@blogger.com